Why Space Matters: From Orbit to Earth
Right now, more than 11,000 active satellites orbit Earth, most launched in the last five years. Every time you check the weather, pay with a card, or scroll your phone, you're touching space. You just don't know it. But here's the catch. The people deciding that future aren't the ones building it.
Speaker 1:This is why space matters, where space collides with technology, national security, and human destiny. Imagine waking up tomorrow and GPS is down, planes reroute, ships drift, ATMs freeze, even power grids lose time in sync.
Speaker 2:Within hours, trade halts, delivery stop, and your map app becomes a painting. Space isn't a luxury. It's the nervous system of civilization. I'm Jason Carvello, founder of Carvello Capital and humanis.vc. My lens is simple.
Speaker 2:Who controls the innovation that controls orbit?
Speaker 1:And I'm Laura Todd, cofounder of Earth Savvy, formerly VP of space exploration future programs at Airbus, and someone that genuinely cares about asking the why question and making things better and simpler.
Speaker 2:We created the show because the space community talks to itself. Brilliant minds, but an echo chamber. Meanwhile, the rest of the world misses that everything we depend on already runs through orbit.
Speaker 1:Our promise, no hype, no safe talking points, just open debate on how space really drives technology, security, and society.
Speaker 2:If you like conversations that challenge comfortable thinking, you're in the right orbit. Quick disclaimer, we invest in companies across the space and frontier tech sectors. Nothing here is financial advice or solicitation. It's about ideas. The story of the week is the amazing launch of Starship 11.
Speaker 2:And I am actually gonna play this right now for us. This is a spaceship x Starship flight 11 booster landing test that happened three days ago.
Speaker 3:Yeah. The shaking down here was absolutely nuts. The windows are still there, still intact. So that was pretty awesome. But, yeah, booster's coming down right about 30 kilometers about Alright.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And as we approach that landing, just like tower catches, we will be doing a 13 engine landing burn to slow down. This time it will be in a v three configuration. And as we're starting to get into the denser part of the atmosphere, the booster is using four hypersonic grid fins to guide itself through atmospheric entry towards its landing site.
Speaker 4:We're just about twenty seconds away from landing burn start where we'll first ignite the center 13 engines, then bring that down to five to slow down the booster for landing. And finally, that will come down to three, and we'll cut all of them off while we're still about 200 meters in the air. So Booster is gonna see a bit of a harder
Speaker 3:Easter lame or sort of. And there we heard it. Brewster Lanningburn shut down. We saw a 13 to five to three. BP.
Speaker 2:So Laura, this week's headline, was really about control. SpaceX Super Heavy booster didn't just fly, it hovered midair above the Gulf before pledging into the sea. 40 stories tall, 16,000,000 pounds of thrust, and for a few seconds, it stood suspended like a skyscraper deciding whether to fall.
Speaker 1:And I mean, they have pretty much done it before. So if you watch some of the other the launches the reason why I wanted to talk about this one in particular is, first of all, we can't do this week's episode and not talk about Starship 11.
Speaker 2:Of course.
Speaker 1:Yep. But it's also because I remember when Starship one launched, and, you know, they they got seven minutes into flight and they had the rapid unscheduled disassembly, which it was the first time I learned about that term. I thought that's fabulous. And I and I remember saying to friends, I will have to avoid the media because I will be frustrated about what they will say about that, that it was a failure.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:The difficulty we have is failure has a completely negative context for for most people, and I was like, well, no. They achieved every objective they set out for that iteration using DevOps principles, using Lean Agile incremental development principles. This was not a failure, this was a complete success. And I I kind of saw the same snarky, I would say, attitude in everything I've read practically this week.
Speaker 2:This week. Okay.
Speaker 1:This week. After the after a mixed success in terms of program for Starship, they finally had some kind of success. It's the first time in several launches they had back to back success. So you've got this magnificent feat, this, like, engineering, and people don't understand that every Starship launch, there is so much change and evolution implemented in the largest star spaceship that we have on Earth in a very short period of time, and it's thanks to their way of working, it's thanks to the transparency, it's thanks to the scalable modular design, and yet, it is still not reported as such in the mainstream media. So I wanted to highlight and say congratulations to everyone at SpaceX because it was awesome as usual.
Speaker 1:Although, I have to say your timing so that you can have a daylight landing, I totally understand why, but it means I'm having to stay awake until 02:30AM. That's okay. If we could think on that for scheduling in the future, but, no, well done
Speaker 4:to everyone. Going to see all
Speaker 1:those people really celebrating. And if the the mainstream media, could you please check yourself and look at how you report stories? Thank you so much. Your thoughts on it, Jason?
Speaker 2:Agreed. Starship is designed to fly hundreds of times. If they can land, they can reuse the hardware. This is obviously massive. The point here is we're no longer throwing away a $100,000,000 after every launch.
Speaker 2:That's not just engineering process. That is a revolution in access. And I think many people don't know that NASA did experiment with partial reusability. The space shuttle itself was designed to be reasonable, but the shuttle required thousands of workers and months of refurbishing to per flight. Earth launch at that time cost over $400,000,000 for all the data wonks out there and finance wonks who are listening.
Speaker 2:And it was technically reasonable but not economically reasonable. So again, the space shuttle and the NASA program guided very very different reasons for being. And so I think, again, by contrast, we're seeing starships booster be this feat of engineering that allows to be landed, refueled, then relaunched within hours, cutting the cost per kilogram from hundreds of thousands of dollars to perhaps tens of dollars. And that's basically like going from a chartered private flights to a city bus for orbit access. Right?
Speaker 2:So I mean, it's to your point, it's significant. Like it's significant. We're not connecting the dots of what has happened to where we're at today. So I agree. I'll sign that petition.
Speaker 2:News anchors, get on it. Start reporting accurately. And this is why we exist. Right? This is why Speaks Matters podcast.
Speaker 1:Indeed. But and and I think we'll take so many great points that I mean, we could talk for hours on the why of this, but that will be subsequent podcast with all those little details and minutia. So
Speaker 2:Yeah. For sure. I'm really excited about that, excited that we're just in this in this moment in time where we're gonna see more of those launches. We'll do our best obviously to on the audio to provide clips and, you know, in our show notes to be able to give you links to the things that we talk about so that there is some kind of post listening learnings as well. And when we do record and put up on YouTube, we'll do our best to showcase videos like the one that we just showcased today, giving you access to information and trying again curate unique content that may not be accessible to you or you just don't have the time to look up.
Speaker 2:There are different versions of clips that are not not necessarily on the news stations, so we'll make sure that we provide that to you as well. So Laura, why this podcast? Why now?
Speaker 1:Well, Jason, because space sits between myth and mediocrity. We romanticize Apollo but measure success in slides.
Speaker 2:And the public still thinks space equals exploration, not infrastructure. Yet every supply chain, security system, and cloud service depends on Orbit.
Speaker 1:It's invisible utility politically undervalued.
Speaker 2:Yet over 70% of global GDP relies on satellite based infrastructure, navigation, timing, communications, finance. It's not fringe tech. It's the plumbing of civilization. The industry is wired for incrementalism. Governments reward safe primes.
Speaker 2:Startups die waiting for the first contracts.
Speaker 1:Completely. To put numbers on that, a typical NASA or ESA procurement takes around twenty six months from RFP to award. For a startup, that's half its runway gone before hardware flies.
Speaker 2:That mismatch kills innovation faster than failure.
Speaker 1:Procurement orthodoxy. Risk aversion disguised as responsibility.
Speaker 2:Meanwhile, VC timelines demand five year returns on fifteen year infrastructure. So what changes the curve?
Speaker 1:We've got to have new funding models, milestone prizes showing tangible deliverables, dual use procurement, and sovereign launch corridors.
Speaker 2:And founders who see themselves as industrial architects, not just engineers. We believe sovereignty in orbit means controlling data, energy, and logistics.
Speaker 1:Look at Starlink. Over 6,000 satellites already in orbit, that's more operational spacecraft than every other nation combined. Wow. It provide commercial scale can outpace governments by decade.
Speaker 2:That's the industrial revolution in orbit. Invisible, global, irreversible. Incrementalism kills.
Speaker 1:And be careful. Also, incremental progress keeps crews alive. The key is knowing when safety turns to stagnation, and that incremental development is against a long term plan and vision.
Speaker 2:Bold doesn't mean recklessness, and that's why we need both temperaments in this industry, the test pilot and the systems engineer. So, Laura, I believe we had a conversation not twelve months ago, but maybe ten months ago. And I think we were having a discussion about why does space matter?
Speaker 1:I have always been inspired by space. So, you know, we look back to we mentioned at the Apollo missions, how it's inspiring, it make gets people dreaming. But then I also see how it's something that enables technological innovation. We advance significantly, thanks to two main things, either war or space exploration, and I know which route I would prefer to go down. I also think that when we look at the limited resource on our planet, on our lovely Earth, it's very difficult to have a sustainable level of development for all 8,000,000,000 people currently on this planet with the level of quality that, let me be honest, that I have and and I'm sure that you have as well.
Speaker 1:So we need to look at how we manage ourselves better, look at resources and the technologies that are needed to give everyone the same comfort and level of quality of life. And I think we can achieve that through space exploration. Also, if I'm honest, it's because the first film I remember watching was Return of the Jedi, and I want a Millennium Falcon to fly through space.
Speaker 2:Of course. Of course. Every everyone wants that.
Speaker 1:So why does space matter for you?
Speaker 2:Yeah. My journey is one of kind of a circular journey. So twenty years ago, when I got started in technology about 1999, the first product I got to work on was Netscape eight. So like the first firm I joined was a custom software development shop and AOL Time Warner was pushing all its products up to British Columbia, Canada. And we were fortunate to build Netscape eight, the the the last browser in the Netscape edition.
Speaker 2:But it was one of the most complicated products that we did. We invented the tab system, which now is ubiquitous across all browsers and we created a security system that was going between OS, iOS, and then Microsoft. It was a unique time because it was the end of the first wave of the Internet, which if everybody remembers, the end of the first wave of the Internet was really just building the plumbing, you know. So you had people building the servers and then, building the window, which was the browser into the Internet. And then you had the, you know, big folks building the databases like Oracle and so forth.
Speaker 2:And so at that point, for me as a human, I thought that, okay, we're gonna unlock something transformative here. That we were gonna democratize the world through information. Like, this easy access information was going to help revolutionize people's lives. And it did do that. There's no question that it did do that.
Speaker 2:But we all have very high expectations of what's possible. And we saw technology transform people's lives, give them new types of jobs. We saw new industries emerge, SaaS, ecommerce, fintech, insurtech, all of this. But yet there had still been something missing. And during that twenty year period of time, we saw this idea of social entrepreneurship develop and this idea of systemic change.
Speaker 2:But that idea of systemic change wasn't really applicable to first world nations because the social issues that we faced are built and defined by a different type of economic construct. Homelessness in Canada or The US or The United Kingdom or Scotland or Ireland is very different than Madagascar or Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, etcetera etcetera. So there was always a hope for me internally that we were going to get to a point where we would be able to help solve some of these issues. And then more importantly, we'd advance humanity in a way that seemed to make sense. And again, for me, one of my favorite movies of all time was you know, Star Trek two.
Speaker 2:Con, come on. And just the idea that there was more to what we are. And for me, my belief was never that this might be controversial to say, but it was never that religion or politicians were going to save humanity that is within the self to define that. Humans by default can define their own destiny and that idea of solutioning was within us. And so when space technology started to kind of emerge, this new space wave started to emerge, I might have mentioned this story to you offline, but I stayed in my office for like three days and was trying to think of a new thesis and I I went back to some movies and I watched Tron and then Tron, the second one, Legacy, they talk about the idea of building a digital frontier to reshape the human condition.
Speaker 2:And that's what Kevin Flynn's mission is in in the movies. And so I thought about that and so that's a, brilliant. And then b, really what is doing that right now? And when we look at the data as futurists that we are, we look into the future and we see that a consumer impact and clusters of technology are coalescing around this period of time right now, 2020 all the way to 2045. And as we get closer to 2030, 2045, we're gonna see those clusters of technology coalescing on top of each other, energy, materials, bioengineering and so forth.
Speaker 2:And I saw that space technology was a really important component to that, if not the component to that. So I do believe in hope. Unfortunately, I was born an optimist and not a pragmatist. I had to earn my right to be a pragmatist. But I do believe space matters and you said it eloquently, know, is to evolve society and to move us into a place of exploration, which is really what I believe a human's destiny is.
Speaker 2:It's really to seek out adventure.
Speaker 1:I I look, I was a next generation girl myself for Star Trek, so as much as I love the original series. But you know, when you I I rewatch that quite frequently. When you look at the themes that they had in it and, like, showing that development, that was for the benefit of all. Yeah. And if we take from Wrath of Khan, one of my favorite quotes is, the good of many outweighs the few or even one.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, it's it's difficult to demonstrate that to people for space because we also have miscommunication with people that have advanced space significantly in the last twenty years, such as Elon Musk, such as Jeff Bezos. But unfortunately, normal people just see a billionaire playing with toys to go into space because they And again, because they're not understanding this impact, this what you put so fabulously, the nerve system of and of civilization. And and so this is where we've got to demonstrate and help them to understand that better and to see the big picture and to but to communicate effectively to normal people. Because you talk to a space person and you've got different flavors of space person, if they're an engineer or an astronaut or a scientist, and they will happily go on their topic. Then 99% of normal people will go, yeah.
Speaker 1:So how much are we spending to go to another planet to do what with? I think this is part of what we need to describe and where that benefit comes for the whole of humanity and not just for the privileged few that get to venture into space or to build the next cool spacecraft.
Speaker 2:The question ultimately for everyone is, are we moving forward? Are we evolving? And I think the media controls a large part of that narrative and not to sound like someone that's constantly slamming the media. But to your point, and as we stated earlier, these conversations take place in these small echo chambers. And in citizens of earth, it's cool to say, don't currently the majority of citizens of earth don't have the time to drop into these conversations.
Speaker 2:And or they don't have anybody that's working in their best interest to bring information to them. I think Carl Sagan, David Suzuki, Jane Goodall, these are some of the most revered, folks, not only from a scientist perspective, but also from an educator perspective because they gave their entire lives to educating people. Fortunately, I got to meet two of those three. I got to meet Jane Goodall probably like fifteen years ago at an event in Vancouver and that was intense. And then David Suzuki, I once got into an argument with him asking him like like, why are you just educating?
Speaker 2:You know, why are you not going out of being a politician because policy makes the change ultimately in say Canada or The US and so forth. And he said, my role is an educator. And so these people up until Jane had all passed away and and David Zuckey is still continuing his journey, everyone is educating. And I think, you know, Carl Sagan did a really exceptional job of that. And I think that's really what we're trying to do is we're trying to pick up that banner, pick up that torch and use that to give people access quote unquote to your point.
Speaker 2:This isn't for the billionaires. And I think it's also erroneous for people to connect the innovation taking place with the personalities that are funding said innovation. One of the things that you and I have talked about is bringing on guests that are gonna allow us to unpack and provide the, I think, celebratory environment for these scientists, engineers that are generating the change of tomorrow.
Speaker 1:And we need to do that. Oh, and and to have the different perspectives, which I think comes quite nicely then to why did we start this now? Because as you say, it was like the perfect storm and and on where we are for funding, for developments, for public perspective. You've got more availability to give access to people for this, but also yet to demystify it and okay, space is hard, it's not easy to go to space. If it was easy, we would have advanced a hell of a lot more.
Speaker 1:But showing people that breaking down that message so that it communicates to them Yeah. To for them to understand why it's important for you, but also to make it fun. I mean, I'm not gonna lie, I've sat through some presentations and I had trouble staying awake, so I don't know how a normal person's gonna do it. So no. But but but yeah, bringing that element of it is beneficial to you, it is fun, it is inspiring, it is making a difference, and think what we could like achieve in the future.
Speaker 1:Yeah. If we we all see it. I I often get myself asked I've been asked the question on questionnaires and stuff, so what are you coming back to
Speaker 4:what you said about religion?
Speaker 1:I will answer, I'm a human being. Right. That's it. That's how I see it. I am a citizen of this earth.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I'm on this earth for a very finite period of time. So I would like to do what I can to advance that moving forward.
Speaker 2:And I think that humans, regardless of where they live, feel this intrinsic duty to their environment. People do want to keep water clean, to ensure farms are efficient, that the food that we eat is the best version of that food, and live a life that is bountiful. And I think there is a duty that comes when one has access to information to be able to share that transparently. I think that's something that we're looking to do. One thing that, also I think we're gonna unpack in this first season is, there are many people that don't know the power of what has happened in space in terms of, to your point, you know, space is this closed system.
Speaker 2:It's very hard to build things. But I don't I don't think a lot of people know that, you know, certain radial tires came from material that was being used going into space. LASIK helped some of the research there, helped define that category advancing support for for people. The idea of I think my most favorite example is humans, given the amazing capitalist that we are, would forever have just taken a power drill and plugged it in and plugged into the wall and done that forever. But my understanding of the story, correct me if I'm wrong, it was that it was an astronaut who was in this very hard environment that had to screw and screw.
Speaker 2:I think it was the Canada arm. The engineers and everybody had to invent how do you put a battery into this thing and make it all work. Of course, what did that do? That translated that flow down to Home Depot and now everyone and and their dog has this battery pack that they can go in and leverage. And it's made you know, millions and millions of workers, construction workers or people doing home improvement improve their lives.
Speaker 2:They don't chuck around these cords anywhere, you know. I think you know, that's the essence of what we're trying to do here is to connect the everyday, oh wow, I didn't know that happened and oh, it happened in space and go from there.
Speaker 1:I think you've really touched on something as well that's important. That whole necessity is the mother of invention. And it's it's something for me because people are, oh, why are we going to the moon? It's like, because when we get to the moon, first of all, the developments we'll have need to have made for energy, resource management, just like delivery What's gonna happen with manufacturing?
Speaker 2:Washrooms. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Plumbing. I've I've got a friend that's like got a great, like, space do we call that greenhouse? But we're gonna need to to do those things, but you won't do it until we have to do it. But when we do do it, we can use it on the Earth. And people often say to me, well, yeah, but you can't do that.
Speaker 1:Or, well, what does it look like? And I'm like, well, I don't know because that's why someone much more intelligent than I is going to go there and develop something because they're gonna go, well, we need to do something different and to advance. And I and I do wanna throw this out there as well because when you talked about, you know, the benefits such as LASIK or whatever else Mhmm. I go even more simple. You know, I see people ordering Uber Eats or delivery on their phone, getting McDonald's or whatever.
Speaker 1:You've got that because of space and the phone you're using was developed because of the technological advancements because of space, because of computing. And, you know, you will be able to then scroll on Facebook, you wouldn't even have an iPhone, whatever version we're at now. Seventeen?
Speaker 2:Eighteen? Yep.
Speaker 1:But this is, you know, that's how much it impacts people on their day. Like, you know, there's not that direct, oh, we develop this in space, but if we can add those enablers, those capabilities, those technologies because we needed to for space exploration, we wouldn't be where we are today. And if I may, if I show someone an iPhone, what did we say, twenty years ago, twenty five years ago, Right. The first thing they tell me is it's not possible.
Speaker 2:It's magic. So Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know what it looks like. I don't know what the advances will be. I do know, though, that we as humanity have not achieved the pinnacle of technological evolution, I think we can go further and when we put the right people in the right situation, then we'll find something.
Speaker 2:And I certainly don't wanna go go back to the days of using a map to figure out where I'm driving. Have you tried to do that in Toronto? It's nearly impossible. I think also something else to mention is that space has been controlled by the government for a long period of time. Governments.
Speaker 2:It was a governmently funded program. The reason why we went to the moon was because we were in competition with other nations. And in the capital markets don't necessarily fund innovation. There's always a requirement of an ROI. And so to your point about kind of the right timing, we're in this unique time, right, where there's a jostling of geopolitical saber rattling that's taking place by a multitude of leaders.
Speaker 2:And all we kind of see and hear through the radio or TV or whatever device that you're listening to news on is just kind of these changes that are affecting folks kind of negatively or at least being positioned as negatively. And we know the global economic system now will never ever go back to what we've seen over the last twenty years. It's it's been redefined. And I think what's paramount for us as we continue this journey with this season is to showcase the positive opportunity that the new space economy is presenting. And what I mean by that is in the past, you most likely had to have graduated from Harvard or Stanford, maybe spent like twenty, forty years in NASA, and then you would have gone off and built your own space tech or aerospace company.
Speaker 2:Today, as we know and as you coach and we mentor, hundreds of folks that are just graduating school and they have the capability and ability right now to create a satellite, get it up into space. We have the ability to create some little piece of technology and work with a NASA or a CSA or a ESA and be able to build a space technology company right out of university. That was never ever possible in human history, which is a lot. And we'll talk about human history and the timelines around that, you know, understanding of that. But that's very important for people to know.
Speaker 2:I I think on a from a civil society perspective, I think a lot of people who are immigrating to countries, who are trying to raise their families in in safer environments, what's paramount for them? Housing, food, and education. And where are we at right now? We're at this amazing time in human history where science scientists and engineers are truly kind of quote unquote ruling the world. They're they're the ones that are moving society forward.
Speaker 2:And I think another outcome of this is for the average listener to know that there's an opportunity for their children to get involved in space, in science, in engineering, in geotelemetry, or radiology, or whatever it's gonna be. Had I a conversation when I was in Kitimat. I was born in Kitimat BC which is Northern British Columbia, few hours away from Alaska, a town of 20,000 people in one of these corporate towns, Alcan, Rio Tinto and Ocelot and you know, methane plants were there. And my father was a welder when I was growing up and we were I was back there recently and I I sat with my family's friends and one of their child is becoming a welder. And I said, do you know one of the top jobs coming up in North America is in space tech?
Speaker 2:And they're like, what what do you mean? Welders, you know. The space economy requires welders. And for those who are not familiar with welding, there's different levels to welding and different certificates and different educational requirements for welding. It's not just binary like, you know, you're just soldering something or what have you.
Speaker 2:So I I think the other component to us is we're trying to break maybe perceived thoughts or I don't know what the word is I'm trying to hear, but like institutionalized ideas and say, there is opportunity here. Right? Like, it's it's not it's not like everything's overlapping.
Speaker 1:Completely.
Speaker 2:Right?
Speaker 1:And it comes back to that ecosystem, like I was saying, for the moon. You don't need just a big rocket to go to the moon. If we're having a conversation like we're doing now, you need a hell of a lot more things. You need accommodation. You need to have energy for warmth and heating.
Speaker 1:You need you need air, and it's very important. You need to have food and and water. You don't just need, you know, someone that like is able to do lots of PowerPoint slides or lots of documents and reports, then you get, but what are you doing with it? So again, to show people that it's not an exclusive playing ground just for someone that's done a doctorate or whatnot.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Agreed. And I the continual asking, I think listeners are gonna hear this. We're we're consist consistently going to ask them why space matters and provide additional points, counterpoints to why it matters for those listeners that are kind of new to this idea of space and kind of again, to your point, just watch and see Elon and Bezos on the news. And we're kinda wondering what's happening and why is it mattering at this moment in time, in this moment in human history is again, we've used this analogy quite a bit where, what's happening is equivalent to the third industrial revolution.
Speaker 2:Basically, we're seeing, railways being built but into space, right? So a hundred plus years ago, folks landed and some folks said, hey, we've got to be able to get from New York to California. And this idea of railway system was developed. And those railway systems, depending on what country you are, some are privately funded just like in America. In The U UK and in Europe, they were kinda government funded and supported.
Speaker 2:And then ultimately, private capital came in. But that's what's happening right now is we're seeing the cost of going to space going down and more launches happening on a daily basis. And just like a hundred plus years ago when you know, ex train owners said, hey, I can take you from New York to California in one day or take you to There's only one trip running a week and then all of a sudden they started increasing trips and you can go five times day to New York or California, wherever you are, we started to see this economy get unlocked. And that's essentially what's happening. There's an unlocking of this economy.
Speaker 2:We don't know what's gonna happen, right? Like if you were hauling grain back in New York in you know 1858, you had no idea whether your grain was wanted in, you know, in Saint Louis or something. Mhmm. You had no idea if the clothing that you're developing is gonna be received by someone living in Minnesota. So that's essentially what's happening folks is we're seeing this railway system, this space being developed and those that are entrepreneurs, scientists, engineers, governments, social entrepreneurs are starting to look at it and go, oh there's opportunity here.
Speaker 2:And I think that's the most exciting thing. Think what we want people to come away from our podcast after listening is feeling that there is a sense of opportunity for anyone regardless of what stage they are in their life. The question of why space matters, I legitimately think that there are more humans on the earth today that are asking, why does my life matter? Why does what I'm doing matter? Is there a better tomorrow?
Speaker 2:And not to sound super cliche and this is not a holly holly Hollywood movie or made for TV movie, but I think you and I, you you I've seen you coach founders through Creative Destruction Labs who are just they're they're green but they're full of intellect and hope and desire to transform society for the better. And I think that's why we do what we do is because that is a secondary tertiary outcome of supporting space and why space matters.
Speaker 1:I'll also just add. It's also because I love engineers because they don't speak normal human and they're so adorable with like when they start engineering speaking. Yeah. No one no one understood what you said. So let's work on that, shall we?
Speaker 1:Yeah. But also the inspiring part because I think people either look at space as a waste of time and money or, you know, they're too young to have seen like the inspiration of when space exploration first started. But I've got a four year old nephew. Every time I see him, we have to build a spaceport and a rocket.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And he's like, where are the And boosters and so I'm like, yeah. So he's that for me is a it's a joy for me to see him get excited about it and to understand and to ask questions. And, yeah, it'd be great if we can get that inspiration back and do that bit of educating as well.
Speaker 2:So Next generation with TNG. Next generation.
Speaker 1:Next generation. So I think then for what we wanna do on this podcast is to touch on everyday lives, to look at normal people. So we want suggestions from our listeners, you know. Mhmm. Tell us what you do, and we'll walk through, you know, what you touch in space or how space supports your everyday life.
Speaker 1:We're also gonna have a regular feature looking at how space 100% supports the UN sustainability development goals.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I I think that's something that people, again, they just disassociate it and see it's just a playground for the rich. It's not when you get very well known people, and I shan't mention names because then I'll get into trouble, but I'll do that in a later one. But saying, oh, we shouldn't be wasting money on space. We should be tackling climate change. Okay?
Speaker 1:That's that's really great. Those said people, I would really love to see your carbon footprint Yeah. Break that down because it's significantly more than, I think, some countries. So, you know, it's really that's some of the features we want to do regularly, on our little podcast here.
Speaker 2:Yeah. 100%. And I think, to your point, if you are listening and you have some feedback or or an answer to why space matters to you, feel free to send us, an email or a voice memo to hello@whyspacematters.fm. We'll make sure that we can feature it. We don't wanna be devoid of not connecting, with our community.
Speaker 2:Community is paramount. That is really one of our main objectives here, whether it be offline or online to continue to build out a community. We'll feature the best, why space matters every single episode and really know, leave it to you to, reach out and, and we'll ensure that we're accessible to you as well.
Speaker 1:And if you have an idea of what kind of profile of person you would like to us to talk to, to to debate with, to have questions with, please also let us know on that.
Speaker 2:Next episode, what what are we gonna talk about? Well, we have a number of topics that we are going to get into, whether it be the death of incrementalism, why primes are destroying innovation to what's what's up, with infrastructure. Why is infrastructure manager space tech? And so, we're gonna do our best to connect the dots with what's happening in real time for that week perhaps in space and then connect the dots to a larger theme. And then hopefully get your feedback to craft an episode that you can connect with and then share with your friends and be seen as the cool one around the water fountain or water cooler.
Speaker 2:I guess everybody's going back to work. Right? They have to drink water somehow. I don't know. But but we'll make you look cool in front of your friends after you've listened to our space podcast, why space matters.
Speaker 2:With that, you can listen to why space matters because the future is closer than you think. I'm Jason Carvello.
Speaker 1:And I'm Laura Todd.
Speaker 2:And we'll see you next time.